vista not all suited games

With the Aero theme taking up over 500MB of RAM (on my computer), Vista is not suited for games at all. Even if Microsoft does some "performance fixes," Vista will never run games as fast as Windows XP does, even if you disable Aero. It was the same with the XP Luna interface, messed up game performance. Aero is doing the same thing, except tenfold, and along with the new gimmicks and things, makes Vista an unsuitable OS for games.
I have no idea why Microsoft is forcing everyone to upgrade to Vista because they're not publishing any more games for XP after Vista is released (*cough* Halo 2 *cough*).
Who's with me?

I know - it's not up to Microsoft to make sure all games work - it's their job to make a platform which is easy to develop games for. Contact the games manufacturer to see their support for Vista in the future.
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--: Original message follows :-- "coolbho3000" wrote in message

With the Aero theme taking up over 500MB of RAM (on my computer), Vista is not suited for games at all. Even if Microsoft does some "performance fixes," Vista will never run games as fast as Windows XP does, even if you disable Aero. It was the same with the XP Luna interface, messed up game performance. Aero is doing the same thing, except tenfold, and along with the new gimmicks and things, makes Vista an unsuitable OS for games.
I have no idea why Microsoft is forcing everyone to upgrade to Vista because they're not publishing any more games for XP after Vista is released (*cough* Halo 2 *cough*).
Who's with me?

Nah, this is a comment, not a problem. I'm simply stating that Vista is not optimized for playing games.
"Zack Whittaker" wrote:

I know - it's not up to Microsoft to make sure all games work - it's their job to make a platform which is easy to develop games for. Contact the games manufacturer to see their support for Vista in the future.
-- Zack Whittaker » ZackNET Enterprises: www.zacknet.co.uk » MSBlog on ResDev: www.msblog.org » Vista Knowledge Base: www.vistabase.co.uk » This mailing is provided "as is" with no warranties, and confers no rights. All opinions expressed are those of myself unless stated so, and not of my employer, best friend, Ghandi, my mother or my cat. Glad we cleared that up!
--: Original message follows :-- "coolbho3000" wrote in message With the Aero theme taking up over 500MB of RAM (on my computer), Vista is not suited for games at all. Even if Microsoft does some "performance fixes," Vista will never run games as fast as Windows XP does, even if you disable Aero. It was the same with the XP Luna interface, messed up game performance. Aero is doing the same thing, except tenfold, and along with the new gimmicks and things, makes Vista an unsuitable OS for games.
I have no idea why Microsoft is forcing everyone to upgrade to Vista because they're not publishing any more games for XP after Vista is released (*cough* Halo 2 *cough*).
Who's with me?

Well, they do still need to optimise for performance :o)
-- Zack Whittaker » ZackNET Enterprises: www.zacknet.co.uk » MSBlog on ResDev: www.msblog.org » Vista Knowledge Base: www.vistabase.co.uk » This mailing is provided "as is" with no warranties, and confers no rights. All opinions expressed are those of myself unless stated so, and not of my employer, best friend, Ghandi, my mother or my cat. Glad we cleared that up!
--: Original message follows :-- "coolbho3000" wrote in message

Nah, this is a comment, not a problem. I'm simply stating that Vista is not optimized for playing games.
"Zack Whittaker" wrote:
I know - it's not up to Microsoft to make sure all games work - it's their job to make a platform which is easy to develop games for. Contact the games manufacturer to see their support for Vista in the future.
-- Zack Whittaker » ZackNET Enterprises: www.zacknet.co.uk » MSBlog on ResDev: www.msblog.org » Vista Knowledge Base: www.vistabase.co.uk » This mailing is provided "as is" with no warranties, and confers no rights. All opinions expressed are those of myself unless stated so, and not of my employer, best friend, Ghandi, my mother or my cat. Glad we cleared that up!
--: Original message follows :-- "coolbho3000" wrote in message With the Aero theme taking up over 500MB of RAM (on my computer), Vista is not suited for games at all. Even if Microsoft does some "performance fixes," Vista will never run games as fast as Windows XP does, even if you disable Aero. It was the same with the XP Luna interface, messed up game performance. Aero is doing the same thing, except tenfold, and along with the new gimmicks and things, makes Vista an unsuitable OS for games.
I have no idea why Microsoft is forcing everyone to upgrade to Vista because they're not publishing any more games for XP after Vista is released (*cough* Halo 2 *cough*).
Who's with me?

No one including Microsoft is forcing anyone to upgrade to Vista or any other operating system Those who upgrade to Vista do so by their own choice.
Please post the source for "they're not publishing any more games for XP after Vista is released" Do not confuse game and other programs optimized for Vista to working only on Vista Even if true for Microsoft, there are many more games than just Microsoft.
-- Jupiter Jones [MVP] http://www3.telus.net/dandemar http://www.dts-l.org
"coolbho3000" wrote in message

With the Aero theme taking up over 500MB of RAM (on my computer), Vista is not suited for games at all. Even if Microsoft does some "performance fixes," Vista will never run games as fast as Windows XP does, even if you disable Aero. It was the same with the XP Luna interface, messed up game performance. Aero is doing the same thing, except tenfold, and along with the new gimmicks and things, makes Vista an unsuitable OS for games.
I have no idea why Microsoft is forcing everyone to upgrade to Vista because they're not publishing any more games for XP after Vista is released (*cough* Halo 2 *cough*).
Who's with me?

Well, Halo 2 is not going to be done on XP... Will DirectX 10 only work on Vista? If it works on XP, I see no reason why they can't allow games to be made on XP.
"Jupiter Jones [MVP]" wrote:

No one including Microsoft is forcing anyone to upgrade to Vista or any other operating system Those who upgrade to Vista do so by their own choice.
Please post the source for "they're not publishing any more games for XP after Vista is released" Do not confuse game and other programs optimized for Vista to working only on Vista Even if true for Microsoft, there are many more games than just Microsoft.
-- Jupiter Jones [MVP] http://www3.telus.net/dandemar http://www.dts-l.org
"coolbho3000" wrote in message With the Aero theme taking up over 500MB of RAM (on my computer), Vista is not suited for games at all. Even if Microsoft does some "performance fixes," Vista will never run games as fast as Windows XP does, even if you disable Aero. It was the same with the XP Luna interface, messed up game performance. Aero is doing the same thing, except tenfold, and along with the new gimmicks and things, makes Vista an unsuitable OS for games.
I have no idea why Microsoft is forcing everyone to upgrade to Vista because they're not publishing any more games for XP after Vista is released (*cough* Halo 2 *cough*).
Who's with me?

Unless you want to play Halo2 without buying an xbox.
"Jupiter Jones [MVP]" wrote:

No one including Microsoft is forcing anyone to upgrade to Vista or any other operating system Those who upgrade to Vista do so by their own choice.

By that logic, a great many things force people to upgrade certain things. You not only specify one particular game, but you further restrict the options by demanding a specific version.
But that is not Microsoft forcing anything. That is the user choosing to run a specific program and wanting to meet the requirements to feed that choice. The key here is choice.
Halo of any kind is not a game I ever play. Are you sure Halo 2 will play on Vista and nothing more? Source?
-- Jupiter Jones [MVP] http://www3.telus.net/dandemar http://www.dts-l.org
"Penfold" wrote in message

Unless you want to play Halo2 without buying an xbox.
"Jupiter Jones [MVP]" wrote:
No one including Microsoft is forcing anyone to upgrade to Vista or any other operating system Those who upgrade to Vista do so by their own choice.

So, I should be able to play any current game on Windows 95, or even 3.11 using this logic. Upgrades are necessary. Sure, it's forcing the user to upgrade.
Consoles are the same way. If I want to play a Xbox 360 game, I need a 360. It won't play on the XBox. I'd have to upgrade.
Cars are even the same way. If I want a fuel injected engine with 45 MPG and an MP3 player, I'd need to upgrade.
I don't see it as being forced. You're not "forced" into buying the game. It's the game requirements. That's the way it is. It moves the computer industry. Some people don't understand that. You buy a PC, you play what's out at the time. You want to play a newer game, you need a newer computer. Yes, it's fast paced. But the outcome is great!
My 486 can still play Doom 2. :)
Dustin Harper
"Jupiter Jones [MVP]" wrote in message

By that logic, a great many things force people to upgrade certain things. You not only specify one particular game, but you further restrict the options by demanding a specific version.
But that is not Microsoft forcing anything. That is the user choosing to run a specific program and wanting to meet the requirements to feed that choice. The key here is choice.
Halo of any kind is not a game I ever play. Are you sure Halo 2 will play on Vista and nothing more? Source?
-- Jupiter Jones [MVP] http://www3.telus.net/dandemar http://www.dts-l.org
"Penfold" wrote in message Unless you want to play Halo2 without buying an xbox.
"Jupiter Jones [MVP]" wrote:
No one including Microsoft is forcing anyone to upgrade to Vista or any other operating system Those who upgrade to Vista do so by their own choice.

"So, I should be able to play any current game..." I never suggested any such thing. But the game manufacturers should be able to tell you.
Nothing forces the user to upgrade anything. The user makes a choice.
"If I want to play..." The key word in your sentence is "want"? If you want something, then you choose... No one is forcing your want to run a particular version of a game. Your choice.
-- Jupiter Jones [MVP] http://www3.telus.net/dandemar http://www.dts-l.org
"Dustin Harper" wrote in message

So, I should be able to play any current game on Windows 95, or even 3.11 using this logic. Upgrades are necessary. Sure, it's forcing the user to upgrade.
Consoles are the same way. If I want to play a Xbox 360 game, I need a 360. It won't play on the XBox. I'd have to upgrade.
Cars are even the same way. If I want a fuel injected engine with 45 MPG and an MP3 player, I'd need to upgrade.
I don't see it as being forced. You're not "forced" into buying the game. It's the game requirements. That's the way it is. It moves the computer industry. Some people don't understand that. You buy a PC, you play what's out at the time. You want to play a newer game, you need a newer computer. Yes, it's fast paced. But the outcome is great!
My 486 can still play Doom 2. :)
Dustin Harper
"Jupiter Jones [MVP]" wrote in message By that logic, a great many things force people to upgrade certain things. You not only specify one particular game, but you further restrict the options by demanding a specific version.
But that is not Microsoft forcing anything. That is the user choosing to run a specific program and wanting to meet the requirements to feed that choice. The key here is choice.
Halo of any kind is not a game I ever play. Are you sure Halo 2 will play on Vista and nothing more? Source?
-- Jupiter Jones [MVP] http://www3.telus.net/dandemar http://www.dts-l.org
"Penfold" wrote in message Unless you want to play Halo2 without buying an xbox.
"Jupiter Jones [MVP]" wrote:
No one including Microsoft is forcing anyone to upgrade to Vista or any other operating system Those who upgrade to Vista do so by their own choice.

Some of that was agreeing with you.... :)
If I choose to buy Halo 3 on the XBox 360, I'll have to buy the 360. Not really forcing, but it is a necessary upgrade to play it. If you want to play a newer game, you're not forced to upgrade... But it won't play on the older hardware. Thus to play the newer game, you HAVE to have the newer hardware.
No one is forcing you to do it. Yet, it has to be done to play the newest games. :)
And, for FSX... I will be forced to upgrade my system. Since I can't live without it, my arm is being twisted by the FSX developers to upgrade my system. :) (The FSX team is a great bunch of people. I enjoy their posts on AVSIM!). That is a major reason for upgrading my system and OS! :) Thanks, guys! They show the great screenshots, and then I see the DX9/DX10 comparison... I'm losing my paychecks already! ;)
Dustin Harper
Dustin Harper

"Jupiter Jones [MVP]" wrote in message

"So, I should be able to play any current game..." I never suggested any such thing. But the game manufacturers should be able to tell you.
Nothing forces the user to upgrade anything. The user makes a choice.
"If I want to play..." The key word in your sentence is "want"? If you want something, then you choose... No one is forcing your want to run a particular version of a game. Your choice.
-- Jupiter Jones [MVP] http://www3.telus.net/dandemar http://www.dts-l.org
"Dustin Harper" wrote in message
So, I should be able to play any current game on Windows 95, or even 3.11 using this logic. Upgrades are necessary. Sure, it's forcing the user to upgrade.
Consoles are the same way. If I want to play a Xbox 360 game, I need a 360. It won't play on the XBox. I'd have to upgrade.
Cars are even the same way. If I want a fuel injected engine with 45 MPG and an MP3 player, I'd need to upgrade.
I don't see it as being forced. You're not "forced" into buying the game. It's the game requirements. That's the way it is. It moves the computer industry. Some people don't understand that. You buy a PC, you play what's out at the time. You want to play a newer game, you need a newer computer. Yes, it's fast paced. But the outcome is great!
My 486 can still play Doom 2. :)
Dustin Harper
"Jupiter Jones [MVP]" wrote in message By that logic, a great many things force people to upgrade certain things. You not only specify one particular game, but you further restrict the options by demanding a specific version.
But that is not Microsoft forcing anything. That is the user choosing to run a specific program and wanting to meet the requirements to feed that choice. The key here is choice.
Halo of any kind is not a game I ever play. Are you sure Halo 2 will play on Vista and nothing more? Source?
-- Jupiter Jones [MVP] http://www3.telus.net/dandemar http://www.dts-l.org
"Penfold" wrote in message Unless you want to play Halo2 without buying an xbox.
"Jupiter Jones [MVP]" wrote:
No one including Microsoft is forcing anyone to upgrade to Vista or any other operating system Those who upgrade to Vista do so by their own choice.

Perhaps another way to put it. We keep hoping, wanting and asking for more. And the hardware and software makers are happy to give it to us...at a price.
-- Jupiter Jones [MVP] http://www3.telus.net/dandemar http://www.dts-l.org
"Dustin Harper" wrote in message

Some of that was agreeing with you.... :)
If I choose to buy Halo 3 on the XBox 360, I'll have to buy the 360. Not really forcing, but it is a necessary upgrade to play it. If you want to play a newer game, you're not forced to upgrade... But it won't play on the older hardware. Thus to play the newer game, you HAVE to have the newer hardware.
No one is forcing you to do it. Yet, it has to be done to play the newest games. :)
And, for FSX... I will be forced to upgrade my system. Since I can't live without it, my arm is being twisted by the FSX developers to upgrade my system. :) (The FSX team is a great bunch of people. I enjoy their posts on AVSIM!). That is a major reason for upgrading my system and OS! :) Thanks, guys! They show the great screenshots, and then I see the DX9/DX10 comparison... I'm losing my paychecks already! ;)
Dustin Harper
Dustin Harper

Nothing forces the user to use "Aero" either. And FWIW if Vista + Aero is only using 500mb of your RAM thats not all that bad considering they recommend at least 1gb ram for good OS performance (games obviously want more)
"coolbho3000" wrote:

With the Aero theme taking up over 500MB of RAM (on my computer), Vista is not suited for games at all. Even if Microsoft does some "performance fixes," Vista will never run games as fast as Windows XP does, even if you disable Aero. It was the same with the XP Luna interface, messed up game performance. Aero is doing the same thing, except tenfold, and along with the new gimmicks and things, makes Vista an unsuitable OS for games.
I have no idea why Microsoft is forcing everyone to upgrade to Vista because they're not publishing any more games for XP after Vista is released (*cough* Halo 2 *cough*).
Who's with me?

Yep, Who needs upgraded FPS games like Halo2 when we have Doom1... :D
"Jupiter Jones [MVP]" wrote:

"So, I should be able to play any current game..." I never suggested any such thing. But the game manufacturers should be able to tell you.
Nothing forces the user to upgrade anything. The user makes a choice.
"If I want to play..." The key word in your sentence is "want"? If you want something, then you choose... No one is forcing your want to run a particular version of a game. Your choice.
-- Jupiter Jones [MVP] http://www3.telus.net/dandemar http://www.dts-l.org
"Dustin Harper" wrote in message
So, I should be able to play any current game on Windows 95, or even 3.11 using this logic. Upgrades are necessary. Sure, it's forcing the user to upgrade.
Consoles are the same way. If I want to play a Xbox 360 game, I need a 360. It won't play on the XBox. I'd have to upgrade.
Cars are even the same way. If I want a fuel injected engine with 45 MPG and an MP3 player, I'd need to upgrade.
I don't see it as being forced. You're not "forced" into buying the game. It's the game requirements. That's the way it is. It moves the computer industry. Some people don't understand that. You buy a PC, you play what's out at the time. You want to play a newer game, you need a newer computer. Yes, it's fast paced. But the outcome is great!
My 486 can still play Doom 2. :)
Dustin Harper
"Jupiter Jones [MVP]" wrote in message By that logic, a great many things force people to upgrade certain things. You not only specify one particular game, but you further restrict the options by demanding a specific version.
But that is not Microsoft forcing anything. That is the user choosing to run a specific program and wanting to meet the requirements to feed that choice. The key here is choice.
Halo of any kind is not a game I ever play. Are you sure Halo 2 will play on Vista and nothing more? Source?
-- Jupiter Jones [MVP] http://www3.telus.net/dandemar http://www.dts-l.org
"Penfold" wrote in message Unless you want to play Halo2 without buying an xbox.
"Jupiter Jones [MVP]" wrote:
No one including Microsoft is forcing anyone to upgrade to Vista or any other operating system Those who upgrade to Vista do so by their own choice.

hmmm if it is a serious problem (could be for me...) then there is a simpel solution
Dual boot :P
have XP (game optimized) installed (tages around 6 Gb) and play the most games there
Have Vista installed and make the rest of the work there... yes i know it is irritating to change.. but it could help make the game experienc bether...
"Jason" wrote:

Nothing forces the user to use "Aero" either. And FWIW if Vista + Aero is only using 500mb of your RAM thats not all that bad considering they recommend at least 1gb ram for good OS performance (games obviously want more)
"coolbho3000" wrote:
With the Aero theme taking up over 500MB of RAM (on my computer), Vista is not suited for games at all. Even if Microsoft does some "performance fixes," Vista will never run games as fast as Windows XP does, even if you disable Aero. It was the same with the XP Luna interface, messed up game performance. Aero is doing the same thing, except tenfold, and along with the new gimmicks and things, makes Vista an unsuitable OS for games.
I have no idea why Microsoft is forcing everyone to upgrade to Vista because they're not publishing any more games for XP after Vista is released (*cough* Halo 2 *cough*).
Who's with me?

Why is an MVP arguing semantics here?
The point is, the OS DOES need to be optimized to not be sucking up so much of the resources.
-- Ian M. Walker
http://www.IanMWalker.com
~ Look to your own life before worrying how others are living theirs ~ "FarmerHE" wrote in message

hmmm if it is a serious problem (could be for me...) then there is a simpel solution
Dual boot :P
have XP (game optimized) installed (tages around 6 Gb) and play the most games there
Have Vista installed and make the rest of the work there... yes i know it is irritating to change.. but it could help make the game experienc bether...
"Jason" wrote:
Nothing forces the user to use "Aero" either. And FWIW if Vista + Aero is only using 500mb of your RAM thats not all that bad considering they recommend at least 1gb ram for good OS performance (games obviously want more)
"coolbho3000" wrote:
With the Aero theme taking up over 500MB of RAM (on my computer), Vista is not suited for games at all. Even if Microsoft does some "performance fixes," Vista will never run games as fast as Windows XP does, even if you disable Aero. It was the same with the XP Luna interface, messed up game performance. Aero is doing the same thing, except tenfold, and along with the new gimmicks and things, makes Vista an unsuitable OS for games.
I have no idea why Microsoft is forcing everyone to upgrade to Vista because they're not publishing any more games for XP after Vista is released (*cough* Halo 2 *cough*).
Who's with me?

my system has 512 Mb of ram, and 64 are for the shared Xpress 200 video card, till now, no problems so far, some games even work faster than XP, Dungeon Siege for example, and Halo, and it's just a beta, the final should be faster, i agree that it consumes resurces, but the system uses a better optimization scheme, to free more memory when needed, i say just wait, it's only a beta.
"Ian M. Walker" wrote:

Why is an MVP arguing semantics here?
The point is, the OS DOES need to be optimized to not be sucking up so much of the resources.
-- Ian M. Walker
http://www.IanMWalker.com
~ Look to your own life before worrying how others are living theirs ~ "FarmerHE" wrote in message hmmm if it is a serious problem (could be for me...) then there is a simpel solution
Dual boot :P
have XP (game optimized) installed (tages around 6 Gb) and play the most games there
Have Vista installed and make the rest of the work there... yes i know it is irritating to change.. but it could help make the game experienc bether...
"Jason" wrote:
Nothing forces the user to use "Aero" either. And FWIW if Vista + Aero is only using 500mb of your RAM thats not all that bad considering they recommend at least 1gb ram for good OS performance (games obviously want more)
"coolbho3000" wrote:
With the Aero theme taking up over 500MB of RAM (on my computer), Vista is not suited for games at all. Even if Microsoft does some "performance fixes," Vista will never run games as fast as Windows XP does, even if you disable Aero. It was the same with the XP Luna interface, messed up game performance. Aero is doing the same thing, except tenfold, and along with the new gimmicks and things, makes Vista an unsuitable OS for games.
I have no idea why Microsoft is forcing everyone to upgrade to Vista because they're not publishing any more games for XP after Vista is released (*cough* Halo 2 *cough*).
Who's with me?

"Gaius" wrote in message yep Halo does run faster, in fact it looks better aswell in some parts.

my system has 512 Mb of ram, and 64 are for the shared Xpress 200 video card, till now, no problems so far, some games even work faster than XP, Dungeon Siege for example, and Halo, and it's just a beta, the final should be faster, i agree that it consumes resurces, but the system uses a better optimization scheme, to free more memory when needed, i say just wait, it's only a beta.
"Ian M. Walker" wrote:
Why is an MVP arguing semantics here?
The point is, the OS DOES need to be optimized to not be sucking up so much of the resources.
-- Ian M. Walker
http://www.IanMWalker.com
~ Look to your own life before worrying how others are living theirs ~ "FarmerHE" wrote in message hmmm if it is a serious problem (could be for me...) then there is a simpel solution
Dual boot :P
have XP (game optimized) installed (tages around 6 Gb) and play the most games there
Have Vista installed and make the rest of the work there... yes i know it is irritating to change.. but it could help make the game experienc bether...
"Jason" wrote:
Nothing forces the user to use "Aero" either. And FWIW if Vista + Aero is only using 500mb of your RAM thats not all that bad considering they recommend at least 1gb ram for good OS performance (games obviously want more)
"coolbho3000" wrote:
With the Aero theme taking up over 500MB of RAM (on my computer), Vista is not suited for games at all. Even if Microsoft does some "performance fixes," Vista will never run games as fast as Windows XP does, even if you disable Aero. It was the same with the XP Luna interface, messed up game performance. Aero is doing the same thing, except tenfold, and along with the new gimmicks and things, makes Vista an unsuitable OS for games.
I have no idea why Microsoft is forcing everyone to upgrade to Vista because they're not publishing any more games for XP after Vista is released (*cough* Halo 2 *cough*).
Who's with me?

Yes Halo 2 will only work on Windows Vista. Source? Here! http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/technology/4698072.stm
"Microsoft has announced that the PC version of Halo 2 will only work on the new version of Windows called Vista. "

It is a standard marketing tool. Microsoft would like to provide a reason for customers to upgrade but I believe that is not good reasoning. You really shouldn't leave your XP fans out of the loop in this way.
regards Robert "Bogas Corp" wrote in message

Yes Halo 2 will only work on Windows Vista. Source? Here! http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/technology/4698072.stm
"Microsoft has announced that the PC version of Halo 2 will only work on the new version of Windows called Vista. "